This was a fascinating podcast. Matt Mullenweg had spoken of an ambition to get WordPress to 80% of the web. Heinemeier Hansson took him to task on twitter and they ended up in a podcast.

An example of civil discussion and disagreement on the internet. Moving off twitter to a better medium.

Although they did not resolve the central concern they touched on many points around control and ownership on the web.

It gave me a little insight into the scale of the web. Left me feeling pretty naive.

A few mentions of capitalism had me wondering what a socialist web would look like?

Quoted Computers have learned to make us jump through hoops | John Naughton by John Naughton (the Guardian)
I realised that what I had been doing was adding to a dataset for training the machine-learning software that guides self-driving cars – probably those designed and operated by Waymo, the autonomous vehicle project owned by Alphabet Inc (which also happens to own Google).