{"id":2140,"date":"2010-10-17T00:00:00","date_gmt":"1970-01-01T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/johnjohnston.info\/blog\/?e=2140"},"modified":"2021-09-20T22:19:39","modified_gmt":"2021-09-20T21:19:39","slug":"ediff-tweets-gbl-amateur-hacking","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/johnjohnston.info\/blog\/ediff-tweets-gbl-amateur-hacking\/","title":{"rendered":"#ediff, tweets, gbl &#038; amateur hacking"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>Technologies for Learning Workshop<\/h3>\n<p>Yesterday I attend the Technologies for Learning Workshop which was intended to<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>form part of the initial exploration work contributing to the potential development of a Scottish Government Technologies for Learning Strategy.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The invite came out of the blue a couple of weeks ago and I was unsure what to expect. As I approached the venue Twitter let me know that I would see quite a few folk from the ScotEdublog world and when I arrived It looked like a TeachMeet crowd. The event was nicely organised by the IFF folk who started off three main segments of the day. The discussion was more wide-ranging than I expected and there was less nitty gritty about the workings and interface of glow than I expected and a good deal more looking at larger questions. Thankfully there was not the expectation that conclusions were made as I left with questions rather than answers.<\/p>\n<p>Fearghal Kelly, <a href=\"http:\/\/fkelly.co.uk\/2010\/10\/technologies-for-learning-strategy\/\">Technologies for Learning Strategy<\/a>, Andrea Reid, <a href=\"http:\/\/andreareid.wordpress.com\/2010\/10\/15\/trust\/\">Trust \u00ab Interim reports<\/a> and Neil Winton, <a href=\"http:\/\/nwinton.wordpress.com\/2010\/10\/17\/ediff\/\">#ediff \u00ab If You Don&#8217;t Like Change\u2026<\/a>, have already blogged some reflections and David Gilmour has posted photos of the whiteboards on flickr <a href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/davidgilmour\/sets\/72157625047136247\/\">Technologies for Learning Strategy Workshop<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>I am certainly the wrong person to try and give an overview of the day. I usually find myself focusing on trees rather than the woods and this workshop was viewing the forrest.<\/strong><\/p>\n<h3>Tweeting<\/h3>\n<p>One of the trees was related to both the workshop and the wider online community. Near the end of the day a lady, whose name I didn&#8217;t catch but was someone from the government end rather than an educator, expressed doubts to the value of twitter. During the day a lot of tweeting using the <a href=\"http:\/\/search.twitter.com\/search?q=ediff\">#ediff<\/a> had gone on. It was suggested that this was rude, to the presenters and of little real value, due to the quality of some of the tweets. Con Morris, <a title=\"CPDScotsman\" href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/#!\/CPDScotsman\">CPDScotsman<\/a>, robustly defended twitter explaining how it saved a stream of links, pass references to other participants and allowed people to join in from a distance. There were a few folk who did join in from afar so I think Con proved his point.<\/p>\n<p>I didn&#8217;t tweet much during the day, but one I was struck enough by some thing <a title=\"The Play Ethic\" href=\"http:\/\/www.theplayethic.com\/\">Pat Kane<\/a> was talking about to fire out a tweet:<\/p>\n<div class=\"tweetquote\">\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/a2.twimg.com\/profile_images\/440583738\/jj_s_normal.jpg\" \/><\/p>\n<div class=\"tweetquoteuser\"><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/johnjohnston\">johnjohnston<\/a><br \/>\njohn johnston<\/div>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.twitter.com\/playethic\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@playethic<\/a> hacking&amp;play good. Facebook&amp;gaming less so <a href=\"http:\/\/search.twitter.com\/search?q=ediff\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#ediff<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"tweetquotedate\"> <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/john johnston\/status\/27433761632\">Fri Oct 15 11:59:03 +0000 2010<\/a><\/span> <span class=\"tweetquotesource\">from <a href=\"http:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/app\/twitter\/id333903271?mt=8\" rel=\"nofollow\">Twitter for iPad<\/a><\/span> <span class=\"tweetquotecaptured\"> captured: Sat, 16 Oct 10 14:40:29 +0100<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Pat caught my attention by talking about the difference between facebook (&#8220;relentless processes of inclusion, exclusion and meritocratic struggle&#8221;) and the hacker culture (&#8220;subverting technology till it breaks, so that better tech can be built&#8221;) which he compared with the difference between gaming and playing.<\/strong> Quotes from <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thoughtland.info\/2010\/10\/socialnetwork-universityfunding.html#comments\">Pat Kane&#8217;s CalMerc column at Thoughtland<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>This caught my attention because I&#8217;d been reading Charlie Love&#8217;s post: <a href=\"http:\/\/digitalgamesdesign.com\/?p=123\">A social network for Education?<\/a>. I liked this post so much I&#8217;d read it 3 times and nearly printed it out to take to the workshop. I&#8217;ve had a long standing dislike\/distrust of facebook and a preference for a loose network (delicious, flickr, blogs, RSS) and this post started me thinking that I have missed a lot of goodness that could be gathered from a social network for Education. Pat&#8217;s points were a interesting take on this.<\/p>\n<p>I am not reaching any conclusion just mulling over, so was surprised by this tweet from Derek:<\/p>\n<div class=\"tweetquote\">\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/a3.twimg.com\/profile_images\/1145216303\/gort_normal.jpg\" \/><\/p>\n<div class=\"tweetquoteuser\"><a title=\"Derek P Robertson\" href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/#!\/derekrobertson\">@derekrobertson<\/a><br \/>\nDerek P Robertson<\/div>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/johnjohnston\">johnjohnston<\/a> @playethic Please clarify what you mean by gaming not being good. In what educational context is this being framed? <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/#search\/%23ediff\">#ediff<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/#!\/derekrobertson\/status\/27437882756\">Fri Oct 15 11:59:03 +0000 2010<\/a> <span class=\"tweetquotesource\">from web<\/span> <span class=\"tweetquotecaptured\"> captured: Sat, 16 Oct 10 15:47:40 +0100<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>given Derek&#8217;s role as <a title=\"\" href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/#!\/derekrobertson\/status\/27527691614\">Guardian of Games Based Learning in Scotland<\/a> I suppose it was easy for him to reach the conclusion that some games bashing was going on.<\/p>\n<div class=\"tweetquote\">\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/a3.twimg.com\/profile_images\/1145216303\/gort_normal.jpg\" \/><\/p>\n<div class=\"tweetquoteuser\"><a title=\"Derek P Robertson\" href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/#!\/derekrobertson\">@derekrobertson<\/a><br \/>\nDerek P Robertson<\/div>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/johnjohnston\">johnjohnston<\/a> Yes hopefully. Disconcerting to see such tweets from this event. Clarification would be very helpfu as gbl good in Scottish ed <span class=\"tweetquotedate\"><a title=\"2:18 PM Oct 15th\" href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/#!\/derekrobertson\/status\/27439768994\">15 Oct<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>to which I replied:<\/p>\n<div class=\"tweetquote\">\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/a2.twimg.com\/profile_images\/440583738\/jj_s_normal.jpg\" \/><\/p>\n<div class=\"tweetquoteuser\"><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/johnjohnston\">johnjohnston<\/a><br \/>\njohn johnston<\/div>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.twitter.com\/derekrobertson\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@derekrobertson<\/a> sorry to disconcert. Struck me as interesting pt. Game are subset of play?<br \/>\n<span class=\"tweetquotedate\"> <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/john johnston\/status\/27445637212\">Fri Oct 15 14:23:10 +0000 2010<\/a><\/span> <span class=\"tweetquotesource\">from <a href=\"http:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/app\/twitter\/id333903271?mt=8\" rel=\"nofollow\">Twitter for iPad<\/a><\/span> <span class=\"tweetquotecaptured\"> captured: Sat, 16 Oct 10 17:27:59 +0100<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>The conversation then continued through the evening:<\/p>\n<div class=\"tweetquote\">\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/a3.twimg.com\/profile_images\/1128797287\/Picture_3_normal.png\" \/><\/p>\n<div class=\"tweetquoteuser\"><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/theplayethic\">theplayethic<\/a><br \/>\npat kane<\/div>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.twitter.com\/ewanmcintosh\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@ewanmcintosh<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.twitter.com\/johnjohnston\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@johnjohnston<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.twitter.com\/derekrobertson\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@derekrobertson<\/a> Play\u201a?Game. Play&#8217;s more than contestation\/teamwork. It&#8217;s mess, mocking, mimicry, free ideation<br \/>\n<span class=\"tweetquotedate\"> <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/pat kane\/status\/27474802282\">Fri Oct 15 20:17:56 +0000 2010<\/a><\/span> <span class=\"tweetquotesource\">from <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">Twitter for iPhone<\/a><\/span> <span class=\"tweetquotecaptured\"> captured: Sat, 16 Oct 10 17:30:00 +0100<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"tweetquote\">\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/a3.twimg.com\/profile_images\/1145216303\/gort_normal.jpg\" \/><\/p>\n<div class=\"tweetquoteuser\"><a title=\"Derek P Robertson\" href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/#!\/derekrobertson\">@derekrobertson<\/a><br \/>\nDerek P Robertson<\/div>\n<p>@theplayethic @ewanmcintosh @johnjohnston Agreed but contestation can be with oneself and not with others &#8211; a self-improvement agenda.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>and again this morning:<\/p>\n<div class=\"tweetquote\">\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/a1.twimg.com\/profile_images\/1102256853\/fk_normal.jpg\" \/><\/p>\n<div class=\"tweetquoteuser\"><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/fkelly\">fkelly<\/a><br \/>\nFearghal Kelly<\/div>\n<p>The message I took from it [not sure if intended one] was that we need to think carefully about the learning not just the game? <a href=\"http:\/\/search.twitter.com\/search?q=gbldebate\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#gbldebate<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"tweetquotedate\"> <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/Fearghal Kelly\/status\/27527549007\">Sat Oct 16 09:47:16 +0000 2010<\/a><\/span> <span class=\"tweetquotesource\">from web<\/span> <span class=\"tweetquotecaptured\"> captured: Sat, 16 Oct 10 17:35:07 +0100<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>And many more.<\/p>\n<p>Interesting (to me) points about twitter:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Even experienced tweeters can misunderstand each other\/<\/li>\n<li>I probably got a better discussion than I intended by my tweet being seen a critical of games (it was not intended to be).<\/li>\n<li>Tweets can really stimulate discussion and thought.<\/li>\n<li>As the conversation goes on, loses tags and become more distributed it is harder to follow, I stopped getting included in replies and the gag dropped off.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>At the meeting yesterday one of the ideas was to challenge all preconceptions, eg <em>does Scotland need an intranet?<\/em>, <em>will we need classrooms<\/em> and more. Having Pat Kane speak and <a href=\"http:\/\/edu.blogs.com\/edublogs\/\">Ewan<\/a> take part provided some vital\/interesting disruption. Challenging games based learning or any other type of learning went with the flow of the day. I can see how it might be if you look at it through a games visor. Pat&#8217;s <a title=\"The Play Ethic: What is 'The Play Ethic'?\" href=\"http:\/\/www.theplayethic.com\/what-is-the-play-ethic.html\">idea of play<\/a> gives us an ideal of learning that we will almost always fall short of.<\/p>\n<h3>Some Gaming Thoughts<\/h3>\n<p>A lot of games in school are used for drill &amp; practise and there is a place for that, other uses embed gaming in a more complex learning scene (<a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.glowscotland.org.uk\/nl\/ICTHardwareLoans\/2010\/09\/22\/endless-ocean-using-the-wii\/\">Endless Ocean using the Wii<\/a> for example). Derek has provided us with <a title=\"Hotmilkydrink\" href=\"http:\/\/hotmilkydrink.typepad.com\/\">lots of examples of all sorts<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The other aspect of gaming that <em>I&#8217;ve<\/em> found more interesting is game making, this might give more opportunity for Pat&#8217;s play than playing games. Derek&#8217;s <a title=\"LTS and game based learning - Game based learning - Using Glow and ICT\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ltscotland.org.uk\/usingglowandict\/gamesbasedlearning\/consolarium.asp\">consolerium<\/a> team have been providing a ton of resources for this It could be seen as hacking (in Pat&#8217;s positive sense) which I find compelling. In own learning the things <em>I&#8217;ve enjoyed most<\/em> (? most productive) have been amateur attempts at hacking.<\/p>\n<h3>An amateur hack<\/h3>\n<p>While thinking about this post I realised that I wanted to quote quite a few tweets. Twitter provides a tool to do this: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.twitter.com\/blackbird-pie\/\">Blackbird Pie \u2013 Twitter Media<\/a> I was under the (wrong) impression that this used iframes (I was wrong) and the live tweet and I wanted static html, so I made <a title=\"untitled\" href=\"http:\/\/johnjohnston.info\/tw\/tweetembed.php\">my own<\/a> I also figured out how to make a javascript bookmarklet for the first time.<\/p>\n<p>To my mind spontaneous self directed play is an ideal to keep in the back of our minds while we do a bit of drill &amp; practice and muddle towards CfE.<\/p>\n<h3>Thoughts from the day<\/h3>\n<p><strong>Important questions raised<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Do we need an intranet\/use google apps<\/li>\n<li>Security (a lot of the current came from LAs) can we have a sliding scale. IMO the recent additions to glow are addressing this<\/li>\n<li>How does Scotland organise training\/CPD<\/li>\n<li><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><strong>Questions I though could have done with more coverage<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>There was talk of the need for better broadband across Scotland, but I feel hardware is more of a problem. until recently I would have agreed with the general opinion in the room that we will end up using the pupils own devices, but I&#8217;ve recently read: <a href=\"http:\/\/speirs.org\/blog\/2010\/10\/9\/run-what-ya-brung.html\">Fraser Speirs &#8211; Blog &#8211; Run What Ya Brung<\/a> which raises a lot of questions perhaps the most important being: <strong>It (the idea of pupils using their own devices) assumes that teachers will be aware of the differences between devices and able and willing to plan around or overcome them. <\/strong>. I&#8217;ve seen examples of &#8216;byo&#8217; working, but wonder if it is scalable in the light of the varying skills of teachers.<\/p>\n<p>There was the assumption that <em>glow 2<\/em> would work better than glow 1, I would have liked to discuss how this would be done. not necessarily in nit picking detail (<a title=\"Glow Light First Impressions - John's World Wide Wall Display\" href=\"http:\/\/johnjohnston.info\/blog\/archive\/2010\/08\/21\/glow-light-first-impressions\">I&#8217;ve done a bit of that<\/a> ) but on how the nit picking would be organised. with glow one there was no mechanism for feedback to be taken into account quickly, or for detailed beta testing. I hope glow 2 will have <a title=\"Perpetual beta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Perpetual_beta\">perpetual beta<\/a> built in.<\/p>\n<h3>Links<\/h3>\n<p>I am afraid the above is a bit of a muddle that does not reflect much of Friday. I&#8217;d recommend interested folk to read:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Neil Winton&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/nwinton.wordpress.com\/2010\/10\/17\/ediff\/\">#ediff<\/a> a thorough review of the day.<\/li>\n<li>Fearghal Kelly&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/fkelly.co.uk\/2010\/10\/technologies-for-learning-strategy\/\">Technologies for Learning Strategy<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Andrea Reid&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/andreareid.wordpress.com\/2010\/10\/15\/trust\/\">Trust<\/a> <strong>which gets to the heart of things for me<\/strong>.<\/li>\n<li>Charlie Love&#8217;s inspiring post: <a href=\"http:\/\/digitalgamesdesign.com\/?p=123\">A social network for Education?<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.thoughtland.info\/2010\/10\/socialnetwork-universityfunding.html\">Pat Kane&#8217;s CalMerc column: better an intellectual democracy for Scotland, than the inclusions &amp; exclusions of a &#8220;Social Network&#8221; &#8211; Thoughtland<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>and check the <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/#search\/%23ediff\">#ediff<\/a> twitter search.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Update 18 Oct 2010<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Pat Kanes presentation: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theplayethic.com\/2010\/10\/fertileambivalence-scottishedu-ict.html\">The Play Ethic: Fertile Ambivalence: Pat Kane on Scottish Education and ICT at the Crossroads<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Ewan: <a href=\"http:\/\/edu.blogs.com\/edublogs\/2010\/10\/-ediff-im-neither-right-nor-wrong-technology-futures-in-scotland-a-braindump.html\">[ #ediff ]: I&#8217;m neither right nor wrong: Technology Futures in Scotland, a braindump<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.joewilsons.net\/2010\/10\/scottish-government-technologies-for.html\">Experimental Blog: Scottish Government Technologies for Learning Strategy #ediff<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/mrhood.net\/blog\/2010\/10\/18\/technologies-for-learning\/\">Technologies for Learning \u00ab MrHood.net<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<blockquote><p>Talking about it isn&#8217;t good enough \/ But <del>quoting from<\/del> <em>linking to<\/em> it at least demonstrates \/ The virtue of an art that knows its mind. \/\/ Seamus Heaney : Squarings (edited for post;))<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<style type=\"text\/css\" media=\"screen\">\n    .tweetquote { width:440px;border: solid 1px #CCC;;padding:3px;margin:4px;  ;font-size:15px; ;overflow:hidden;font-weight:bold;;}<br \/>\n            .tweetquote img{float:left;margin:4px;}<br \/>\n        .tweetquoteuser{font-size:11px}<br \/>\n                .tweetquotedate {font-size:10px;}<br \/>\n                .tweetquotesource {font-size:10px;}<br \/>\n                .tweetquotecaptured {font-size:10px;}<br \/>\n    <\/style>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; Technologies for Learning Workshop Yesterday I attend the Technologies for Learning Workshop which was intended to form part of the initial exploration work contributing to the potential development of a Scottish Government Technologies for Learning Strategy. 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