{"id":15103,"date":"2021-07-16T18:11:00","date_gmt":"2021-07-16T17:11:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/johnjohnston.info\/blog\/?p=15103"},"modified":"2021-07-16T18:11:00","modified_gmt":"2021-07-16T17:11:00","slug":"listened-david-winer-guy-kawasaki","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/johnjohnston.info\/blog\/listened-david-winer-guy-kawasaki\/","title":{"rendered":"Listened: David Winer &#8211; Guy Kawasaki"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Listened: <a href=\"https:\/\/guykawasaki.com\/david-winer\/\">David Winer &#8211; Guy Kawasaki<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Really good chat. Covering the birth of blogs, rss, podcasting and outliners.<\/p>\n<p>Talking about the idea that apple networking, if better, could have made the web unnecessary:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>David Winer<\/strong>: We had to give up the GUI. We went from having all this great user interface standards to the web, which had no user interface standards.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>When I started using computers, a mac 475 and system 7 point something I really found the standardised UI a huge benefit.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Guy Kawasaki<\/strong>: \u2026. but it seems like Apple and Spotify and Amazon, they\u2019re now trying to gate-keep podcasting.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I\u2019ve been podcasting since 2005 and really worry that the medium is being commercialised. Dave Winer was more pragmatic.<\/p>\n<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-15103-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/johnjohnston.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/Dave-Winer-Software-Developer-Entrepreneur-and-Writer-Guy-Kawasakis-Remarkable-People-37m49s-38m28s_49647-64.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/johnjohnston.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/Dave-Winer-Software-Developer-Entrepreneur-and-Writer-Guy-Kawasakis-Remarkable-People-37m49s-38m28s_49647-64.mp3\">https:\/\/johnjohnston.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/Dave-Winer-Software-Developer-Entrepreneur-and-Writer-Guy-Kawasakis-Remarkable-People-37m49s-38m28s_49647-64.mp3<\/a><\/audio>\n<p>Interesting too to compare Dave\u2019s podcasting routine with Guy Kawasaki\u2019s extensive editing:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>David Winer<\/strong>: I open up my iPhone, I turn on the Voice Memo app, talk for a while, I email that to myself, I upload it to a server, I put it on my blog. Goodbye.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The wee bit of audio was grabbed by Castro.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Listened: David Winer &#8211; Guy Kawasaki Really good chat. Covering the birth of blogs, rss, podcasting and outliners. Talking about the idea that apple networking, if better, could have made the web unnecessary: David Winer: We had to give up the GUI. We went from having all this great user interface standards to the web, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"status","meta":{"mf2_syndication":[],"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"webmentions_disabled_pings":false,"webmentions_disabled":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[660],"tags":[543],"post_format":[642],"class_list":{"0":"post-15103","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-status","6":"category-micro","7":"tag-dave-winer","8":"post_format-post-format-status","9":"kind-listen","11":"h-entry","12":"hentry","13":"post-kind"},"better_featured_image":null,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p57zFQ-3VB","jetpack_likes_enabled":false,"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"kind":false,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/johnjohnston.info\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/15103","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/johnjohnston.info\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/johnjohnston.info\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/johnjohnston.info\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/johnjohnston.info\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=15103"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/johnjohnston.info\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/15103\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":15106,"href":"https:\/\/johnjohnston.info\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/15103\/revisions\/15106"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/johnjohnston.info\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=15103"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/johnjohnston.info\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=15103"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/johnjohnston.info\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=15103"},{"taxonomy":"post_format","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/johnjohnston.info\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/post_format?post=15103"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}